EXCLUSIVE: Swimmer Riley Gaines reveals her trans competitor Lia Thomas is so well-endowed she ‘shouldn’t look at her crotch’ in the locker room of the fateful Atlanta race

Swimmer and women’s sports champion Riley Gaines has revealed that her trans competitor Lia Thomas is so well-endowed that she “shouldn’t look at her crotch” in the locker room they shared at a race meeting.

Tell everything in one podcast with Bill Maher due to fall on Sunday, Gaines repeatedly refuses to state the length of Thomas’s appendage, saying only that it is in proportion to the frame of a “6-foot-4 man.”

Since the tie against Thomas in the 2022 NCAA Championships, Gaines has said it was unfair to have a biological male compete against the female athletes, and that it was uncomfortable to switch alongside her in the locker room.

“That was a situation I didn’t want to look at,” Gaines says on the Club Random podcast, which DailyMail.com received a transcript of prior to its release.

Trans athlete Lia Thomas has an appendage proportional to the frame of a ‘6-foot-4 man,’ says Gaines

“We can’t undo it. Being in that room with a man, it’s like a serious car wreck.”

Maher repeatedly asks Gaines to say more about the physique of Thomas, who joined the University of Pennsylvania women’s swim team after three years on the men’s team.

“I tried to run away from this question,” Gaines replies.

‘6-foot-4 male. Use your imagination,” she adds.

Gaines has become one of America’s most ardent voices against allowing biological males to compete against females, on the grounds that their greater strength and stamina make races unfair and even pointless.

It’s part of a larger debate over whether trans women should be allowed to participate in women’s sports teams, use women’s restrooms, or even serve prison sentences in women’s lockups.

Gaines and other critics say it is neither safe nor fair, and serves to “wipe out” women.

“I think even using the term trans woman gives Thomas something of our language as women,” she says in the podcast.

‘I think trans women are a subgroup of men. I don’t believe trans women are women.’

At the March 2022 championship in Atlanta, Thomas won the women’s 500-meter freestyle, becoming the first trans woman to claim a national title in swimming and becoming a symbol of trans athletes—provoking both opposition and support.

Last year, Lia Thomas became the first trans woman to win an NCAA swimming title, beating biological women like Riley Gaines

Gaines says trans Tiktoker Dylan Mulvaney is motivated by ‘clicks and likes’

Trans rights activists say trans women are real women, they should be involved in sports, and they have no advantage over biological women because they face so much discrimination.

In the same episode, Gaines discusses other views on gender, including how men have become less masculine in recent decades, and the motivations behind trans influencer Dylan Mulvaney.

Mulvaney has attracted 10.7 million followers to her TikTok series 365 Days of Girlhood, which charts her transition from a bubbly young gay man to a “girl,” while promoting cosmetics, clothing, and other products.

“Dylan Mulvaney does this for clicks and likes,” says Gaines.

Gaines, a Tennessee native who swam for the University of Kentucky team, also says American society needs “more manly men” and praises World War II fighters.

“That’s the last time we had strong men,” she says.

“Think about this, the 1940s, World War II. Men lied about their age to sign up. Now, in 2023, we have men lying about their gender to get into women’s sports or women’s prisons or home shelters or sororities or bathrooms, locker rooms.”

She blames society for redefining “masculinity as toxic and evil and undesirable.”

“We need men to protect and provide,” adds Gaines, who is married to Louis Barker.

“I want a man to take care of me.”