Sony’s CEO says the company started working on the PS5 Pro well before the launch of the PS5.

Sony Interactive Entertainment CEOs Hermen Hulst and Hideaki Nishino revealed some interesting tidbits about the company’s overall strategy in a recently published interview with variation.

In response to an early question about the release timing of the PlayStation 5 Pro, Nishino explained that the company “learned a lot” from the launch of the PS4 Pro. He said that “20% of customers actually got the PS4 Pro,” suggesting there is quite a bit of interest in high-end PlayStation devices. He also claimed that the company was seeing new users coming to PlayStation “to also buy PS4 Pro.”